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Not Like They Used To: The Decline of Procedural Competency in Medical Training

Eleanor R. Menzin
The Annals of Family Medicine January 2025, 23 (1) 81-82; DOI: https://doi.org/10.1370/afm.240309
Eleanor R. Menzin
Department of General Pediatrics, Boston Children’s Hospital, Boston, MassachusettsHarvard Medical School, Boston, MassachusettsLongwood Pediatrics, Boston, Massachusetts
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  • RE: Not like they used to.
    Matthew P Grade
    Published on: 28 January 2025
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    Jonathan Dreazen
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    William O. Ameen Jr MD
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    • Matthew P Grade, MD, The Richland Hospital

    Excellent article. I finished at Northwestern Medical school in 1977 at the age of 23. I knew I was going to take a residency in Family Medicine in order to practice in a small town in Wisconsin, At Northwestern I had 2 excellent pediatric rotations, and learned to insert umbilical catheters, obtain blood gasses for analysis, perform LPs at all ages, perform bladder taps. Unfortunately some of the methods at the Children's Hospital on Fullerton were less than comfortable. I was required to present a case of growth restriction regarding a 9 month old boy who was admitted to the hospital. I was asked the height of the father and the mother, although I was not present during the intake, and no mention of those was listed in the chart. The two expert attendings made it clear that I should be able to present those facts. They did not ask the pediatric resident in attendance; he did the intake. It felt kind of unfair but I took it in stride. I had informed that the process was called the Hot Seat and every student of pediatrics in that required rotation was treated the same. A year later the practice was stopped after a student went back to his dorm room and killed himself by shooting a shotgun stuck under his jaw.

    I continue to practice family medicine in a rural setting. I stopped delivering babies after 35 years in practice. I see some pediatrics but spend most of my taking care of the majority of nursing home residents in the county. I perform of lot...

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    Excellent article. I finished at Northwestern Medical school in 1977 at the age of 23. I knew I was going to take a residency in Family Medicine in order to practice in a small town in Wisconsin, At Northwestern I had 2 excellent pediatric rotations, and learned to insert umbilical catheters, obtain blood gasses for analysis, perform LPs at all ages, perform bladder taps. Unfortunately some of the methods at the Children's Hospital on Fullerton were less than comfortable. I was required to present a case of growth restriction regarding a 9 month old boy who was admitted to the hospital. I was asked the height of the father and the mother, although I was not present during the intake, and no mention of those was listed in the chart. The two expert attendings made it clear that I should be able to present those facts. They did not ask the pediatric resident in attendance; he did the intake. It felt kind of unfair but I took it in stride. I had informed that the process was called the Hot Seat and every student of pediatrics in that required rotation was treated the same. A year later the practice was stopped after a student went back to his dorm room and killed himself by shooting a shotgun stuck under his jaw.

    I continue to practice family medicine in a rural setting. I stopped delivering babies after 35 years in practice. I see some pediatrics but spend most of my taking care of the majority of nursing home residents in the county. I perform of lot of definitive surgical treatment for skin cancer, treat a lot of wounds, especially below the knees of very ill patients, and provide the majority of Transitional Care Management for residents of the county. I have never been sued for medical malpractice. I learn more about my work everyday. I especially like the Harvard Geriatric Medicine course. I do a lot of evidence based medication deprescribing.

    Matthew Grade, MD

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    • Jonathan Dreazen, Family and occupational medicine, WorkPlace Health

    As an FP with 45 years of work I heartily agree with the viewpoint of the author. The more in house care we can competently we can provide the more we can provide the patient centred home model. I was taught many procedural skills during my residency and have picked up more along the way. IV insertion, phlebotomy, suturing including deep and skin level, removal of warts, injecting many joints, injecting trigger fingers, epicondylitis and DeQuervains, removing ingrown toenails, biopsies of the skin by excision or punch, removal of skin lesions, sebaceous cysts and foreign bodies etc. Yes I enjoy these procedures as a welcome diversion from treating chronic illnesses but I can also provide these services at a lower cost than a surgeon or dermatologist. In addition, since we know that insurances pay more for doing than thinking there are fiduciary benefits given the RVU system.

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    • William O. Ameen Jr MD, Retired, None

    Excellent thoughts. As a family physician/emergency medicine specialist for over 40 years, now volunteering treating mostly immigrants in a free clinic, I taught medical students, physician assistants, and nurse practitioners since at least 1980 as many procedures as I could, and particularly how to suture competently. There were too few opportunities to suture in medical school and in residency I got most of my experience from moonlighting. Just before I retired after selling my practice to a multi-specialty practice owned by a regional hospital, I had the second-highest RVU (Relative Value Units) of anyone due to my procedural expertise. After I retired, the two younger physicians who maintained my practice started sending all lacerations to the ED thereby plummeting their RVUs, and they resigned because they didn't receive raises. I can't say I took out a guy's appendix with a grapefruit spoon like Robert DeNiro in "Ronin," but I did darn near everything all in a day's work. Can't imagine sending anyone to an interventional radiologist for an LP!

    Competing Interests: None declared.
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