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(re-submitting as I recalculated some measures for comparison--trivial differences only)
Given our concern for provider wellness, we appreciate the contribution by Arndt et al. We also wanted to briefly contribute our experience as it differs significantly, and we believe it offers hope that things can be better.As participants in the AMA’s Joy in Medicine program we have been calculating EHR time-based measures for the last 2 years (indexed to 8 hrs of scheduled appointments). It was also helpful to compare our indexed EHR time measures and Inbox volume to the authors’ findings to compare Primary Care practice patterns. In 2023 our EHR(8) time was 326 min, (65 minutes/17% less than Arndt et al). Our Work Outside of Work (WOW(8)= time outside of scheduled hours + time on unscheduled days) was 54 min (112 minutes/67% less than Arndt et al). Our Inbox volumes were also significantly less for Patient Calls (7.0 vs. 23.5 per 8 hours scheduled time) and Patient Medical Advice Requests (6.4 vs. 15.3 per 8 hours scheduled time).
During the last 2 years our time-based EHR measures have improved, contrary to the experience reported by Arndt et al. We have seen a decrease in total EHR(8) time of 34 min and Work Outside of Work (WOW(8)) of 16 min for our Primary Care group consisting of physicians and APP’s in Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, and Pediatrics.
While we appreciate that there is likely some variation between practice settings, we...
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Given our concern for provider wellness, we appreciate the contribution by Arndt et al. We also wanted to briefly contribute our experience as it differs significantly, and we believe it offers hope that things can be better.
As participants in the AMA’s Joy in Medicine program we have been calculating EHR time-based measures for the last 2 years (indexed to 8 hrs of scheduled appointments). It was also helpful to compare our indexed EHR time measures and Inbox volume to the authors’ findings to compare Primary Care practice patterns. In 2023 our EHR(8) time was 326 min, (65 minutes/17% less than Arndt et al). Our Work Outside of Work (WOW(8)= time outside of scheduled hours + time on unscheduled days) was 54 min (112 minutes/67% less than Arndt et al). Our Inbox volumes were also significantly less for Patient Calls (6.2 vs. 23.5 per 8 hours scheduled time) and Patient Medical Advice Requests (5.7 vs. 15.3 per 8 hours scheduled time).
During the last 2 years our time-based EHR measures have improved, contrary to the experience reported by Arndt et al. We have seen a decrease in total EHR(8) time of 34 min and Work Outside of Work (WOW(8)) of 16 min for our Primary Care group consisting of physicians and APP’s in Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, and Pediatrics.
While we appreciate that there is likely some variation between practice settings, we feel it is important to highlight that it is indeed possible to provide high-quality primary ca...
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While this is a very interesting analysis, the findings will be of no surprise to any primary care physician. Clinicians and health systems continue to struggle with the time-consuming issue of EHR workload.
I would like to second the notion that this study likely underestimates the time required of clinicians to respond to the growing EHR demands. For instance, I frequently check EHR messages from fellow clinicians and (especially) from patients BETWEEN visits and through my "lunch break" (usually neither lunch nor break). I don't believe that this study adequately captured that time responding to EHR messages.
In addition, if the EHR stopped counting the time required when responding to messages when there was no entry for several seconds, it would miss counting the often significant time that I was researching an answer before responding (Epic, UpToDate, etc.).
Thanks to the authors for confirming what we have all felt regarding this growing (and usually uncompensated) intrusion on our clinical and family time.
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I read the article with great interest as a faculty member in a similar academic institution and have been thinking about tackling this ever-increasing non-visit work. The findings are not surprising and we are seeing the similar trend in our institution. I have questions for the authors. 1. What is the definition of aFTE? aFTE includes any administrative time or scholarly time? 2. What is the definition of panel in this study? Does the panel definition include advanced features such as non-visit communication to be included in the criteria to remain in the PCP panel? What is the visit requirement to be remain on the panel? 18 months? 36 months?. I ask since the panel per one aFTE looks much higher compared to what we see in my institution or in Oregon. (more around 1200-1500). 3. Does aFTE have any time built in to do non-visit work? I ask since the article mentions 45% of the population is in the capitated model. Again thank you for the great article. Very relevant to our work.
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